The Absurdity of Atheism

“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

“We are all atheists, some of us just believe in fewer gods than others.”

The above two quotes (attributed to Stephen F. Roberts according to this web site), despite the frequency with which they are  quoted by atheists, are not even good sound bites and much less are they good arguments for atheism.

math problemFirst, atheism has nothing to do with the number of gods one disbelieves in; rather it is belief that no God or gods exist. To equate theistic belief with atheism is a logical absurdity. Just as a person cannot both believe in God and not believe in God at the same time, one cannot claim that a worldview that affirms the existence of God is equivalent to its antithesis.

Second, to not believe in God because there are any number of wrong concepts about what or who God is, is as silly as believing that there is not a right answer to the equation 1+1 because there happens to be an infinite set of wrong answers. Just as 1+1 has only one right answer, the question of the existence of God has only one right answer.

When we see a building, we know that there was a builder; when we see a painting we know that there was a painter; and when we see creation, we know that there was a Creator. Unlike basic math which cannot be proven, the proof of the existence of God is everywhere and all around us, all we need are eyes that see and a brain that works to prove it.

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14 Responses to The Absurdity of Atheism

  1. Darron S says:

    So what will you say when we can replicate the process of abiogenesis in the lab and show how life from non-life happened on the early Earth billion of years ago? Where will your God Of The Gaps hide then?

    Mother Nature is the designer. And she is powerful in a way that your man made gods could only wish. Cheers!

  2. Samuel Skinner says:

    Atheism is the lack of belief in God. Close though- at least you didn’t conflate atheism with evolution.

    The point the arthor was making is that believers of all religions have perfectly logical reasons for dismissing all other faiths. It doesn’t disprove God- just religion. For example the Muslim has good reasons to doubt the bible and the Christian has good reasons to doubt the Koran, while the Hindu doubts both their books and is doubted in return.

    You presume the universe is created- as an atheist I don’t look at the universe and see something created- no, I look at God and see something that falls in that category.

  3. jerryk says:

    Hi Darron,

    Thanks for visiting and your comment.

    You asked: “So what will you say when we can replicate the process of abiogenesis in the lab…?”

    Umm..that’s called Intelligent Design.

  4. jerryk says:

    Samuel thank you for visiting and for your comment. It sounds to me like your objection has more to do with people than with God. If that’s the case, I find myself in agreement with much of what you said. Man makes a mess of most everything he touches and religion is no exception. This is how Scripture puts it:

    “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.” (Romans 1:18-23)

    This passage is also describing idolatry which is a violation of the first two commandments. The answer to the sin problem is one of the things that separates Christianity from religion, it is why the message of Jesus Christ is unique, and it is why His cross makes so much sense.

  5. Samuel Skinner says:

    Nope- abeogenisis in the lab is being performed under the same conditions of the early earth. No design.

    Humans also don’t destroy everthing they touch. Common stereotype. In fact the ability that gives people the means to fight in groups is their sense of comradery, not a lust for destruction.

    So you have magic vision that can see God? But no atheist can… There is a hole with no bottom.

    Christianity’s answer is human sacrifice. Mesoamerican faiths also had a similar premise- to me it sounds errily like “Blood for the Blood God!”.

  6. jerryk says:

    Hi Samuel and welcome back.

    A laboratory experiment that doesn’t involve design? Interesting concept. I’m willing to leave the determination as to if that involves intelligence to its results.

    You wrote: “So you have magic vision that can see God?” Actually, you’re the one that said “I look at God and see something…”, not me. I thought that was an interesting statement coming from an atheist.

    As to your comment concerning human sacrifice, etc. you missed the point. I did not say that humans destroy everything they touch, merely agreed with you that religion, being man-made, is a mess. All “religions”, including those of Mesoamerica, are man-made. The hallmark of man-made religion is suppression of the truth because although they know God, they do not honor him as God or give thanks to him, and become futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts become darkened. All man-made religions try to bridge the gulf built between man and God, a gulf created because of sin, through good works or self-righteousness (atheism is no exception). But that gulf can never be bridged by man or by the efforts of a man.

    Jesus the “express image of the invisible God” on the other hand, came to bridge that gulf for us. He did this when he took the punishment for our sins on Himself and suffered and died in our place.

  7. Samuel Skinner says:

    Sure. You simply set up the conditions and see what unfolds. If said conditions replicate something in the real world or the past than they are valid. For example bombarding fruit flies with radiation shows exposure to radiation mutates living organisms.

    In this case they are putting things in a jar, sterilized and without any contaminants they can help and seeing what happens.

    Theists consistantly claim the glory of the heavens proclaim the majesty of the Lord. Either atheists are blind or there is nothing to see.

    The Aztec religion didn’t screw up- the sacrifices where specifically done so that the sun would continue to shine by providing the sun god the strength in blood and souls needed to prevail through the night.

    It makes perfect sense if you accept it as true.

    All religions supress truth. It is the nature of people to refuse to see the truth if it is too painful.

    You see a taint and you ascribe it to people souls… and declare it can only be overcome with tortue and death. Tell me, what seperates this from the Aztac? Your blood sacrifice was a good cause? Slaughter is never justified- especially for an all powerful being. It is a mad doctrine and an even more ad hovac religion. Islam, Judaism, Hinduism… they can have consistant practitioners- whole societies even following the Koran, the Torah or the Vedas. And it works! It may work poorly, it may be brutal, but it can- and has existed. For Christianity this has never been true. It is impossible for a Christian society to exist- more so than communism.

    Have you given away all your possesions?

  8. jerryk says:

    Hi Samuel and welcome back. Louis Pasteur, the father of microbiology, performed the experiment you described before the turn of the last century disproving abiogenesis. In 1924 Aleksandr Oparin demonstrated atmospheric oxygen prevented the synthesis of the organic molecules that are the necessary building blocks for the evolution of life. I’ve counted 11 different theories (all of which are mutually exclusive) about the necessary composition of the “early” atmosphere to produce the conditions under which non-life could have produced life. Of course, they are all speculative because there is no evidence that proves our atmosphere was ever composed of anything other than the stuff that inflates our lungs today (minus modern day pollutants of course). Needless to say, if abiogensis couldn’t have happened, it didn’t.

    But…here we are and we have a BIG problem – it’s called sin. One day everyone will stand before God in judgment.

    Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything? Have you ever used God’s name as a curse word? Have you ever wanted something that did not belong to you? Have you ever allowed someone or something to be more important to you than God?

    If you have done these things like the rest of us, you’ve broken God’s Commandments and you will stand before Him as a lying, thieving, covetous, blaspheming, idolater. The Bible says God’s wrath awaits you and on Judgment Day you will end up in hell.

    But God doesn’t desire this for you: instead, “God demonstrated His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Jesus, God’s only begotten Son, came to take upon Himself the wrath and judgment you deserve for breaking God’s Law and sinning against Him. The Bible tells us, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life”. He did this when He shed His innocent blood for the remission of sins as He died on the cross. Three days later, He rose from and forever defeated death. He did this for you, He did this because of Love, He did this as a free gift. To receive this free gift, you must repent (that means to confess and forsake your sins) and put your trust in Jesus. If you do this you will not have to suffer God’s justice in Hell when you stand before Him on judgment day.

    You have the evidence of creation and you have the evidence of your own conscience to prove these things are true; now is the time to repent and believe in Jesus, please don’t wait.

  9. Samuel Skinner says:

    Actually we are positive oxygen didn’t occur in the first atmosphere. How? Through the miracle that is… science!

    How did they do this? When exposed to oxygen, metal rusts- and it turns out that you have that start happening at a specific time in the past. Before that there was no oxygen in the atmosphere. In addition all the theories for lifes start take place in water- not exactly an oxygen rich place even today.

    Hah- you do realize that I have heard that from others- why don’t YOU bow down to Allah. I’m sure he will forgive you of the sin of Polytheism (three is one and one are three).

    As for sins… I see my flaws. I know their depth. I also know that I understand they are wrong. When I look out on the rest of the world I see how minor they truely are. I have never killed a child for puppy love. I have never justified rape. I have never slaughtered in the name of a blood god. I never sought to end the world. I have never sought to make anothers life a living hell. I have never slaughtered and butchered my opponents. In short, I am incomparably better than many theists… and all the people I refer to? They are very much alive. I can even link you to some of these people.

    Type in “Vox Day baby killing” on google. Talk about seeing the taint made manifest…

    Yeah, yeah- it is unrelated to your faith. Guess what? It is the beauty of faith- it doesn’t have to make logic sense. Or be good.

  10. jerryk says:

    Hi Samuel, welcome back. Self-righteous people justify their sinful behavior by contrasting it with the actions and beliefs of others; they are narrow-mindedly moralistic. Self-righteous people point at the faults of others and say “I’m not as bad as them”. Are you surprised that you described yourself that way?

    I’m not. In fact, the Bible says (Proverbs 20:6) “Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness.” The truth is that God will not compare us to others on the day of judgement. Instead He will judge us based on His laws and not only murders (who you like to compare yourself to) but the sexually immoral, and idolaters, and all liars will be sentenced to hell.

    The only escape is through repentance and trust in Jesus Christ. Please look in the mirror, and no longer at others, and seriously consider these things.

    Please.

  11. Samuel Skinner says:

    Of course- I am self righteous.

    Well, that is because most people don’t consider themself pure evil. It is a psychological defense mechanism. The exceptions tend to be insane. It wasn’t until recently where mass media has arrived and the good guys often appear rather pathetic, that “evil is cool” started.

    Eliphas the Inheritor: Put down your arms, unbelievers, and bow before the forces of Chaos Undivided.
    http://wiki.reliccommunity.com/Dawn_of_War:_Single_Player_Quotes/Dark_Crusade#Against_Chaos

    Religious peole saying that you can only succeed by bowing down and submitting sounds… insane honestly. Given that I have run into believers defending rape and genocide, comparing believers to the forces of Choas isn’t much a stretch- it is not even a matter of degree. The differance is that the believers God’s don’t exist.

    I’d go on, but trying to deal with believers who refuse to question or even think about their basic premises is an excercise in futility.

  12. jerryk says:

    Hi Samuel. “If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me…” (Job 9:20).

    Time and again you prove the Truth of the Bible and Christianity with your words.

    Remember, just because 1+1 has an infinite set of incorrect answers, it does not logically follow that you must also reject the only correct answer.

  13. Samuel Skinner says:

    It is 2!

    Seriously, all you have are platitudes… and your arguments errily mirror just about every other religion. Why aren’t you a Muslim or a Hindu or… you get the idea?

  14. Ruth Beth says:

    hi guys! i was doing some research for a report and happened to stumble across this conversation. you brought up a good point Samuel about some people who call themselves Christians doing terrible things in the name of Christ. so on that train of thought, i’d like to ask both of you, what do you think is the worst thing that “christians” have done over the last 1000 years or so?

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